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911 HERESY!!

September 19th 2007 09:35
It is almost heresy to suggest that the events of 911, all those years ago now....(time travels quickly does it not?)... was not perpetrated by the alleged "terrorists", but by a cabal made up of military and industrial bigwigs with the active help of various government personnel.

Yes, it seems ridiculous...but then again...watch a documentary entitled "911: In Plane Site", and you will begin to question what happened on that terrible day.

SITE LINK:

911 In Plane Site



I did...again and again...as I had to make sure, I had to try and see past the initial shock to try and form an objective opinion....now I know...the science alone does not stand up!

THEY LIED TO US!!!!!!!!!!!

The big buildings....Twin Towers...fell almost in free fall...that is not possible unless the structures holding it up....on every floor and the basement...have been progressively removed....as in a controlled demolition. Watch another doco titled "Loose Change" and you see, clearly, the detonations going off in the buildings, and hear the actual radio messages back to base, from firemen and police, saying "bombs" are going off in the building....

SITE LINK:

LOOSE CHANGE 911

The alleged "plane" that hit the Pentagon...a large plane full of people, bags, chairs etc, huge engines, giant wingspan...the hole inside the Pentagon was about 16 feet in diameter...the official explanation; the wingspan and engines, chairs, people, shoes bags etc etc all folded neatly up into a spear shape and completely disappeared into the Pentagon, and then totally disintegrated...the first time in aviation history....and the laws of physics were also broken that day....130 odd feet of wingspan into a 16 foot wide hole......


PROBLEM....the melting point of all that metal requires a much higher degree burn than aviation fuel burns at....and needs to burn for a much, MUCH longer period of time than it did...

PHYSICS.....(just like the Twin Towers...the aviation fuel does not burn at a high enough degree to melt the huge steel girders, (also encased in fire retardant) most particularly in 45 minutes for one building and an hour odd for the other when allegedly the steel skeleton "melted" causing the buildings' collapse.

Think about it....when has a building of that sort of structure totally collapsed as a result of a fire? Sure, inside floors, that are wooden, often are burnt out but the surrounding walls usually remain, for hours, before possibly one or more walls fall outwards scattering firemen away....NEVER have I seen a building collapse as a result of just a fire in the way the World Trade Centre buildings did.

SCIENCE.....it was ignored in the analysis...the "official" report stating that the Pentagon plane did break up....but no reference to the roof line not being broken until it collapsed some 30 minutes or so after the "accident"...no reference to the rotors found, the only one...that was about two feet in diameter...when the passenger jet's engine turbines are in reality 9 FEET in diameter...the reports of a small "white plane" hitting the building...the rows of cameras on 24 hour record, and only one set of a few photos released that do NOT show a plane hitting the building....just an explosion...and the fact that tons of aviation fuel should have set the entire area ablaze for ages...but within the 16 foot hole, you can see a book sitting on a stool...unsinged...and the fireball explosion...it was mainly white initially, this is what explosives do, not aviation fuel....

And now we come to it...911.....9...1...1.... in America it is the emergency number...a bizarre coincidence........but people forget that 911 used to be, before the New York attack, associated with the anti-globalisation action group that always demonstrated against the major industrial powers meeting annually to agree on their next year's agenda, it got that moniker because the meeting used to be held on September the 11th....maybe not such a coincidence afterall....

WELCOME TO THE BRAVE NEW WORLD?...NAAAHHHH!!! NO WAY!!!!

These criminals are not brave; if they were brave, they would have publicly and openly stood up for what they believed...global economic domination....small countries economically enslaved by a few larger ones...instead of inventing catastrophes and "terrorist attacks" to justify the removal of hard won rights and civil liberties, and the loss of privacy, things my father, and many others, fought to preserve in WW2, by defeating the Fascists.....

They do not wear jack boots or Nazi insignia today, they wear business suits; they pretend to look after everyone's interests, a strong economy is best, but this is achieved by screwing the 'have-nots' and the workers, and enriching the big corporations...giving everyone a fair share, a fair go, is now considered economic treason.....

Soon, people will start to wake up....they will see through the distortions of truth by Orwellian press and the unmitigated lies of government spokesmen....but it will be too late....the "Beast" of Biblical infamy is upon us, but it isn't "The Devil" incarnate, it is the result of our apathy, our indolence and lack of vigilence, it is no fantastical being, it is our own "freedom fighters", captains of industry and government, whose soul reason for existence is money and power, our leaders....not an invented alien enemy...not a globally reaching Arabic terror group... it is us!

pax

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Comment by Ahmed

September 19th 2007 16:46
41 votes and no comments? Typical of the truth seekers, don't want to get slammed but want their opinion heard.

It's one of those things that no one wants to believe, so when there is any indication of it being true it's just met with a lot of screaming and yelling which just further muddles things up and makes things even more confusing than what it actuall is. Something gets lost in the process.

Like Pearl Harbour and the Reichstag building, or way back when the US Chief of Staff planned and drafted a terrorist attack against American civlians, it's going to be a while before people are able to swallow the truth. At least by then it will be clear too, not messed up like it is right now.

Comment by Damo

September 19th 2007 21:55
Ahmed
You cannot assume the opinion of those that have read and not commented.

Comment by Anonymous

September 19th 2007 22:06
i'll give alqaeda credit for this one, since they claim it. but this nutter, if that's what he is, is right in a more fundamental way:

american foreign policy has created a lot of hatred. killing popular leaders, destabilizing elected governments, instituting dictatorships, and simply dropping bombs on people who have done america no harm does create hatred. anyone can understand that. this hatred was harmless, to americans, until globalization and bin laden money gave it means to strike at americans directly.

the american elite have pursued these policies for their own personal profit, confident that any retribution will be borne by someone else. indeed, the revenge of 911 has been turned to the profit of the elite, by smoothing passage of laws and policies which advance america along the road to fascism.

i wish i could say getting rid of the bush regime will improve things, but it won't. the american empire will run it's course no matter if caligula is emperor, or aurelius. they will ruin the planet while they are at it.

Comment by D. Armenta

September 19th 2007 22:50
So, just for the hell of it: what's everyone here's take on the Holocaust? The moon landing?

This ought to be good.

Comment by Damo

September 20th 2007 01:44
DA
The moon has not landed on Earth yet.

Comment by Ahmed

September 20th 2007 03:10
Damo, well it would be reasonable to assume those who voted for this particular post agreed with it to a certain extent...


DA, I'm with Damo on the moon thing and as for the holocaust, I don't see how it's relevent.

Comment by Damo

September 20th 2007 03:31
Ahmed
Absense of evidenced is not evidence of absense or inclusion.
Assumption is the mother of all stuff ups.

Comment by Louie

September 20th 2007 04:30
I was waiting for someone to write about this, my Brother showed be the Vids a few weeks ago, he is OBSESSED...certainly looks like there is more to it than meets they eye......especia Masons and the fact that both Al Gore and George Bush are extremely high up in both...........very very scary..the best fodder for a conspiracy theory ever

Comment by DuskDevi

September 20th 2007 08:02
I voted when I read it without leaving a comment because I felt...and that is only my humble feeling...that this post needed to be read and that my comment would be superfluous to the post content.



Hope you are well fog

Dusk

Comment by Mountain Fog

September 20th 2007 08:12
Thanks for the comments folks.

For those whom choose to disbelieve what I am questioning, it is easy enough to do the research yourself on the net and have a really good look at it. (start with the links above)

If you are one of those who say, 'if it is true, then the news would have told me', then sadly you will remain ignorant. Our news has fallen into too few hands unfortunately, and some of those hands are in the arms business.

But don’t just take my word for it! After all, what do I know? I’m in Australia…yet a number of red blooded Americans, true patriots you could say, do dispute the alleged facts, and the evidence they show is both harrowing and damning.

Their evidence PROVES a conspiracy is afoot. How? Because it is taken from the footage shot by the major news networks…we all saw it…over and again, but no one examined it closely, no one put what we were led to believe to stringent scientific analysis….(so beloved by a few members of Orble especially and rightly so)…this adherence to scientific objective research was NOT done by the American Government, in fact, the Bush Administration tried to ignore any analysis of the site initially, but acquiesced only after a lot of public pressure.

This is where YOU come in!

Public pressure can actually achieve a lot, just look at history. But as I say, do not just believe anyone…do the research yourself. Get off your backside and look into this, it can be done easily on the net.

I will post again on this matter, and I will quote, and lead you to the web site, of some important and highly regarded people who have the knowledge and experience to evaluate what we have all taken for granted, but with the correct training like military pilots, scientists, generals etc, after reading what they have to say, you may start to question, what we were told were, the ‘facts’

This is a fight actually; it is a fight for our freedom and our future. Do not let your fear led suspicions, or apathy, allow you to let this slip by. Watch these docos, (911: In Plane Site”, and “Loose Change”), visit the net sites and read what highly experienced and trained specialists in all sorts of fields have to say about the actual evidence as produced by the 911 Commission about the events on that fateful day.

The links above will take you to sites that will open your eyes a little wider.

Let the truth set us free!


fog

Comment by Sheree

September 20th 2007 09:14
Foggy,

With you all the way buddy.
Power to the truth..

and remember the staged event that started the Vietnam war.
(or as they call it in Vietnam 'The American War')

It's good to be back!

Comment by Brenton

September 20th 2007 10:13
Fog,

I voted because the idea here are interesting, but didn't leave a comment as I didn't really consider it convincing.

Conspiracy? Yes to the extent that there is more to it than meets the eye, but the temptition of NWO/ZOG/Masonic/Bilderberg concpiracies or the idea that the Americans attacked themselves would appear too unlikely for me to invest much belif in. I find there are questions unanswered. That's my main worry. America has a history of conspiracy.

Unfortunately the only way to test the theory of science is build another identical tower and hit it with a plane.

As for pentagon, either - it was a plane, and seems weird as we don't tend to deal with plaes alot.

Something esle happened which is being covered up - am embarressment or security issue- that is thus being covered up.

An attempt to capitalise of the attacks by feigning a third.

Just a few thoughts.

DA - Both Moon landing and Holocaust seem valid, though there's alot of interesting conspiracies with the hollocaust too.

Comment by Mountain Fog

September 20th 2007 14:19
Thanks for the comments Sheree and Brenton!

Well...Brent...stay tuned, and do visit those sites I have linked to because there are indeed many problems and many facts being ignored.

As for the other stuff; D.Armenta:
I know you are just poking fun…the very idea that, what really happened on 911 may not be what we were told, is indeed confronting, but we have to all grow up and put into place objective dispassionate research….not mindless uniformed conjecture emanating from fear!

As for the first moon landing, I watched as Armstrong stepped onto the moon’s surface, an amazing moment indeed, and that weird sensation during that week, looking up at the moon and thinking, gee, humans are crawling around up there!

Russia (or the USSR as it was then) and China and Australia were all monitoring the American astronauts as they visited the moon, and the fact that the tech was pretty low in those days, all suggests it was real, it happened.

As for the idea that they did it in a studio, probably that came about because the Yanks had a stand-by emergency plan, in case there was a catastrophe, so they could switch to a studio recreation in case the real astronauts got zapped by a micro meteor or something, which by the way, nearly happened to Buzz Aldrin, it missed him by a few feet, I was watching when that happened too!

And as for the Holocaust being a hoax...PLEEEEASE!!!!! This is just insulting to even mention this was a hoax!

I knew someone who was interred in Auschwitz, and another person who helped liberate that dreadful place. I am in no way swayed by arguments that say it did not happen. Maybe it wasn't exactly 6 million people exterminated, so what? It doesn't matter about the number, it matters about the intention and the action, and the Nazis had plenty of both to rid the world of their perceived enemies.

Anyhoo, do not fall into the trap of including ludicrous and generalised conspiracy theories with this situation on 911.

911 is a completely different kettle of fish.


Brenton, I understand why you suggest other possible scenarios, and refuse to entertain any other ideas, because you have not actually looked into it in any depth....please do so...check out the sites, watch the docos, I can assure you, your opinion will change, if as I suspect, you have a healthy intelligence.

I am waiting on hearing back from a guy I want to interview about 911 events and also post on here some of the statements made by people in the military and scientific community who have analysed what went on that day, so stay tuned, because what they say is mind blowing…

And as Bette Davis used to say….”fasten your seat belts; it’s going to be a bumpy night! Cheers,

and thanks so much Sheree...glad to be back and biting too!! hehe!


fog

Comment by Anonymous

September 20th 2007 21:07
Really Long Link

So you say "Omg these others are brainwashed by the government to believe it was terrorists", do you not realize that you have merely been brainwashed by a video by a teenager? Have you even listened to the engineers, firemen and more that were actually there and saw and can explain what happened rather than watching some old grainy footage and assuming a kid knows what he's talking about?

Loose change is hilarious at how serious it tries to be when it has little to no real scientific backing "oh no he's talking about number is a serious voice with scary music, it must be true!"

Comment by Anonymous

September 20th 2007 21:10
And one more link you should probably read:

Really Long Link

Really Long Link
for some of the stupidity found in that video.

Comment by D. Armenta

September 20th 2007 22:13
Hey Ahmed, check it out! Everybody else got it....

Now Fog, I like you and I like your writing. I'm just gonna reserve judgement here, because like America has a history of conspiracy, the internet has a history of bogus information.

Comment by Lilla

September 20th 2007 22:52
Fog,

This was interesting reading, indeed. I couldn't watch the clip as my media player needs reloading... but I think I've seen this one before?

Relevant points made I think, and it's good to see that there are still humans left who are not afraid to question everything.

Having witnessed the carefully man-made implosion of a building first hand, I can't tell the difference when the towers collapsed?

I will try and get my player working to see (and read) more... thanks for the interesting links.

Lilla ...

Comment by Damo

September 20th 2007 22:59
Okay
Here my brief take on this thesis.

We have two conflicting explanations for an event. The sensible thing would be to take the simplest explanation.

Complicated conspiracies require complicated structures and layers to hold them up.

I am not conviced that any nation on earth would have the ability to fake such huge disaster as 9-11 infront of everyones eyes. Why not do something simpler and more deadly where no one could trace the evidence? (eg: poison a water supply.)

It is a lot harder to do big things than pretend that you can, like many of the old and redundant secret societies claimed.

Motivation, cause and intended results require a blind faith that masses of people all react the same way.

So in the end just because the explanation gives the answer that you want to hear, "namely that this was all a cunning plan", it would require major leaps in plausibility and rational thought.

However you have the right to believe what you want.

Comment by Ahmed

September 21st 2007 00:33
Now Fog, I like you and I like your writing. I'm just gonna reserve judgement here, because like America has a history of conspiracy, the internet has a history of bogus information.

Thing is, historically speaking, the US government has done similar things and even planned such a thing once.

Check out operation northwood to get an idea: Really Long Link

Comment by Sheree

September 21st 2007 01:35
I would definitely believe that America is capable of orchestrating an event of this magnitude, given that 9/11 has played such a pivotal role in the upcoming Holocaust: part two.

What about the supposed 'real live footage' of Palestinians celebrating in the street almost days after it happened? I was quite young when 9/11 happened so I was trying to reason with a fellow classmate that even if it were true, Palestinian children have more reason than anyone in the world to want to see America to suffer given the situation they are in.

But this person was insistent that it signified something deeper, that the whole world was against us (even though we are Australian) etc.

Turns out I didn't need to waste my time. The CNN footage was found to be false. Someone deliberately sat down and said 'how can we further contribute to what has already happened? What can we do to make this a global catastrophe?' and it was a deliberate manipulation.

I remember that same day I heard my Aunt say 'I hope they don't pin this on the Arabs. I hope it was the KKK or someone worthy of being vilified but if it's the Arabs, then the world will never be the same again'

Damn straight. And there we were worrying about just one race. Nevermind that they managed to twist it around to involve an entire religion that spans across many different racial and cultural backgrounds. I mean come on, If you're going to orchestrate something so horrendous, you might as well go all out and milk it for all its worth.

Loose change only resonates with me because I happen to know that America has used similar tactics before to justify their atrocities. The world just isn't as stupid as before and can pick up on it quicker. The internet medium is merely one which spreads the news vastly.

Comment by Jeff Musall

September 21st 2007 04:02
It's hard to say for sure what happened...the only things are that the events haven't been fully explained or investigated, and few can argue that the persons who benefited most was Mr. Bush and his entire cabal.
I don't know how much they knew, or what they were responsible for. I vey much suspect that they knew alot, and were at least responsible for failing to act on what they knew, at a minimum. When we in America are finally rid of the neo-con/christo-fascist leadership, the world can breathe much easier.

Comment by missnomer

September 21st 2007 04:29
Whether it was or was not isnt really the question...is it..that there is so much division in the world to either perpetrate or connive for the demise of the other is the real issue...whats done is done..the past can never be retrieved...all thoughts and forward planning should surely be heading in the direction of solidarity..for the survival of the human race as a whole..not just a few sectarian factors that have planned well ahead enough for armeggedon?
I retreat now to my bunker..fully laden with food and water and a few big guns.....
X Miss Nomer

Comment by Mountain Fog

September 21st 2007 11:12
Thanks for the comments folks,

Nice to have a little 'open' debate is it not?

D.Armenta, no worries, I am fond of you too, probably should not have responded so forcefully to you, so apologies if I offended you.

And while we are on this, why is it that some people act so hysterically when the establishment is being challenged? SURELY, in a free and democratic society we should all encourage open and unbiased investigation...like watching those films I referenced...and checking out the many other sources and specialists that highlight problems with the official story.

The point about these documentaries is, they do show major discrepancies, with what the government purports to have happened, and the evidence.

And, if it was just the doco maker's opinion that challenged the interpretation of events, I would be a little more circumspect, however, many experts, both military and civilian, have looked at the various media coverage of events on that day, and THEY say the official explanation can NOT be true, because of known scientific standards and the physics involved, most particularly, with regards to the alleged terrorists, Atta et al.

These experts say being able to control such large and sophisticated aircraft, all of which made exceptionally difficult manoeuvres, was way beyond the capabilities of ordinary commercial pilots, and that it would have been impossible for the hijackers, with their little experience of piloting a Cessna, to have achieved what these air craft did that day. In addition, it was observed by a number of analysts and air traffic controllers, the aircraft made manoeuvres that military aircraft make, not passenger aircraft, some of the manoeuvres being way over the expected limits of a commercial liner.

I will post more on this with direct quotes from pilots etc., one of whom actually had flown two of the aircraft that were allegedly involved that day!

MR or MISS Anonymous seems to be particularly vexed by my challenge to everyone to check this out for themselves. Notice how Anonymous does not deal with any actual issues brought up by BOTH these films, the 911: In Plane Site documentary he does not refer to, which was not made by a "teenager.”

The relevance of that comment becomes irrelevant when you consider this fact:

The footage used in the docos was shot by CBS, ABC, FOX NEWS and all the other majors and minors in the media.

What EXPERTS in various fields say, when they watch the VIDEO EVIDENCE, is that, there are indeed many problems trying to reconcile the actual facts and what is stated by the government and particularly what is stated by the 911 Commission, set up (and vastly under funded) by the American Government to investigate the events on September the 11th 2001. Such has been the outcry from the scientific, military and specialist communities that the two heads of that investigation, are saying they were hindered in their investigation and much of the evidence was not produced including expert independent analysis.

I will be posting a lot more on this issue, I am presently waiting for a reply from someone I am intending to interview, so it should make interesting reading.

Oh, by the way MR ANONYMOUS...
About your hysterical ranting thusly:
“Have you even listened to the engineers, firemen and more that were actually there and saw and can explain what happened rather than watching some old grainy footage and assuming a kid knows what he's talking about?”

You obviously have not watched these documentaries, because in them you do see and hear firemen, police, and bystanders referring to "explosions", "like a demolition”, "it was a cargo plane, it didn't have windows" etc etc etc.

However, MR ANONYMOUS,
if you have seen BOTH these films, and looked at what experts are also saying, then logically, you must doubt the official explanations, unless there are other reasons that prevent you from seeing what is so obvious, like some psychiatric illness, or other mitigating factors, and if that is so, I am sorry, I do not wish to cause you any further distress. Maybe you should amuse yourself with less stressful pusuits, like basketweaving!

So I won't waste any more of my breath on lunatic rantings from people who refuse to objectively look at the EVIDENCE...but have a nice day anyway!

Comment by D. Armenta

September 22nd 2007 02:27
Well, I will be very interested to see your relevant posts, Fog. I never take anyone's word for anything till I check it out myself, so I am still reserving judgement. I will definitely read your links and subsequent posts.

Yes--objective is the key word here, isn't it? Some of the comments here don't sound very objective to me, though...

Comment by Ahmed

September 22nd 2007 02:44
Turns out I didn't need to waste my time. The CNN footage was found to be false. Someone deliberately sat down and said 'how can we further contribute to what has already happened? What can we do to make this a global catastrophe?' and it was a deliberate manipulation.

And then something genuine goes completely ignored (gee, I wonder why):
Really Long Link

Comment by Mountain Fog

September 22nd 2007 13:23
Thanks for the comments Ahmed,
yes indeed, it seems the less fortunate in the world have been invited to play in a shell game; three shells, three choices to find the pea and be a lucky winner, only one problem, there's no pea!

As for the internet being a morass of innuendo, suspicion, invention, paranoia, embroidery and out right lies, yes it's true, no more than Parliament on a good day however!

Amongst it all is the truth, and some truths are so confronting people refuse to believe, even when we are talking of things that are to everyone's detriment, except of course the top one percentile, the big end of town, they are usually the ones with the finger on the trigger, and someone lined up to take the blame.

anyhoo, play safe and have a few laaarrffs on the way!!

cheers

fog

Comment by Brenton

September 22nd 2007 13:59
am not refusing to belive anything.

I just find one scenario more likely than another.

Comment by Mountain Fog

September 22nd 2007 15:58
Fair enough Brenton,
but sometimes the less believeable, or the more complicated a scenario may appear, is the truth. However, all this depends on independant specialist analysis being accepted by an official investigation.

The 911 Commission, was a lot like the Warren Commission, it had been used as a tool for obfuscation of the truth, not as an exposing light shining into the darkness of an evil.

When, or if, a proper investigation comes about, or some of the media decide to analyse it all, only then will the general populace start to take more notice, but, therein lies the problem, the governments and the major media groups obviously want to leave sleeping dogs lie, trouble is, those who benefit least from this attitude, is us!

Whatever had happened, whomever was behind it, one thing is for sure, the hopeless government explanations fall apart under scrutiny, what we need to do is convince those in the right position, like the Attorney General of New York, for one, to investigate.

cheers

fog

Comment by Anders 1

November 7th 2007 12:14
Congratts on a well written article. I fully agree that 911 was an inside job and alot of people are actually waking up to this fact.
I´m guessing you are familiar with Alex Jones? If you want to see his latest documentary, End game, you can fin it at googlevideo.

Whats your take on global warming? If you´d like to know mine just check out my comic blog.

Comment by Mountain Fog

November 7th 2007 12:54
Hi Anders 1,
thanks for the compliment! I will check out your "take' on global warming too.

In short, I believe there is bugger all we can do to stop it. I think yes, we have accelerated this process, but, it is a naturally occuring event that has happened before, which a scientist demonstrated by examming little shell like creatures in the sea bed strata, between Britain and Europe's mainland.

I won't go into it in detail, but, it means that area is heading into a mini ice age, once the "conveyor belt" stops, the warm ocean current, and Australia most likely becomes dryer, although that is hypothesis. The mini ice age could take to establish anywhere between two and ten years...and the reversal...goign on samples taken, maybe 2,000 years!!!

What we, as puny Earthlings, need to really worry about is the swapping over of the poles, (north becomes south), and whether Hapgood's theory is correct, that being , once it reaches its halfway point, it is sudden and violent. Meaning, the crust of the Earth spins violently fast on the molten magma beneath.

If Hapgood is correct, and Albert Einstein backed him up on his research, then we, as a highly developed species on Earth, are right properly rogered guvnah!!

And yes, Hapgood has plenty of evidence to support his theory, as it has happened before...terrifying as it is!!

cheers

fog

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